Give some examples of n-REM dreams, I only ever recall two dreams that I thought might be n-REM |
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I think that we can not speak about n-REM and REM sleep without taking in account that there are two different REM sleep : Tonic REM and Phasic REM. |
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Give some examples of n-REM dreams, I only ever recall two dreams that I thought might be n-REM |
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Sure LUCID DREAMS are all fun and games until someone loses a third eye.
You said, "Heart rate increases until vision returns to black." |
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Hi, I spend lots of time in NRem consciously awake, with my body asleep for hours at a time. I do WBTB at least three times a week. I wake up naturally after 5.5 to 6 hrs sleep after having a regular dream. I get up for a 20 minutes and read about LD or OBE. Then I view pictures for on my digital picture frame for 10 mins. These pictures are related to what I want to dream about. Then I lay perfectly still. After about 10 minutes my hands and feet are tingling, and I can't feel them (if that makes sense). Then at about 20 minutes my arms and legs are tingling and they feel like they're not there. After about 1/2 hour my hearing stops and I can't feel, or see anything. When my hearing stops, I know I'm in the void or Nrem. My vision is kind of a light grayish green. Nothing is there. It's very boring and I find myself thinking about various things to help pass the time. Images appear occasionally and they're related to what I'm thinking about. I even hear sounds intermittently. This is when I can relax further into the twilight zone and go into an LD. I find it very difficult not to go unconscious at those seconds just before the dream starts. If I can maintain my consciousness then I enter the dream lucid. When the LD ends, then I remain perfectly still and I remain in the void waiting for the next LD to start. I've had nights where I've had 6 consecutive LD's over 3 hours and kept consciously aware the entire time until my alarm goes off. This only works for me from WBTB at 6 hrs to about 9 hours. After that, I can't maintain Nrem state, and my LD's are usually DILDS. It's hit and miss. Earlier this week I entered NRem and stayed there from 4Pm to 6:30 Am with no dreams because I couldn't drop into the twilight zone (now that was beyond boring). I learnt how to be conscious in NRem by practicing meditation. I meditate once in the morning for 10 minutes, lunch for 45 minutes, then again in the evening for 10 minutes. Practicing meditation helps you enter the twilight zone without falling asleep. There's all types of cool experiences you can have while meditating which can be every bit as exciting as an LD (if not the same thing). I've recently discovered you can interact with dream figures by speaking and touch while in NRem (without any vision), and this happens in the twilight zone, but before the dream starts. You can stay there for a long time interacting. It seems to be a good place where you can interact with your dream figure in peace and quiet (there's no nasty dream figures there). This dream figure interaction during NRem has only happened a few times, but I think it can be mastered with practice. I feel this was made possible for me through practicing meditation (lots of it). Oh yes, if I start to go unconscious while in NRem, an imaginary bell goes off (ring, ring, ring) quite frequently which I'm short on words to explain, but it certainly helps to keep you consciously aware. So bring along your imaginary bell while in NRem. |
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Awareness beyond lucidity is an epiphany.
That is great. Meditation is very helpful here as you say. I would say that what you describe is very classic nREM (one manifestation, there are many). This is very similar to what I experience, but I have learned to have some very cool interactive dreams in this state. I will offer you a tip.With tactile (touch) visualization you can use this phase to practice all sorts of things. You can spend tons of time changing your dream body into animals, then when in a normal LD you will be well practiced. You can also spend the time doing fun tactile things such as dancing or gymnastics. |
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This is amazing! It's funny that we harshly strive for it, and you are actually there and you found it boring |
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Last edited by Nfri; 01-24-2015 at 08:12 PM.
Hi Nfri, I've only been meditating for about a year and half. I was seeing a counsellor regarding my daughter's passing, and nothing seemed to be helping me to cope. He then said he's a Buddhist. I found this odd because he's totally blonde and blue eyed, but he recommended I start meditating. He said he took up meditating after his mom passed and it helped immensely. He wouldn't give me any details on how it helped, but he simply recommended I give it a try. He said he's not allowed to discuss spirituality as a counsellor due to ethics. So, being at my wits end, I decided to start meditating (last resort, lol). I simply pray to God (I'm Christian), angels and heavenly spirits before I start, to ask for connection with my daughter. Then I lie perfectly still in bed, with a pillow, on my back. It seems every itch possible happens as you're trying to relax, but you must not move. When I first started (1 1/2 yrs ago) I would just see flashes of blue and purple lights occasionally, and if I was lucky I would see some images. The trick is to let your body fall asleep, but keep your mind conscious. If I try this in the evening I often fall asleep, so the best time is at lunch, or after 5 or 6 hours of deep sleep. You need to be rested so to avoid falling asleep consciously. I focus the energy in my brain from the sides to the upper frontal lobes. I can actually feel it move there. You can practice moving the energy back and forth (with eyes closed). When the energy is upper frontal lobes, then imagery is much clearer. My feet and hands lose feeling first, then my arms and legs. Then I can't feel my body. When the hearing stops, then I'm there, and things can get really interesting and 'waking life' like. Currently after a 1 1/2 years of meditating I can get decent imagery within 10 to 15 seconds of closing my eyes. After about 30 minutes I can get remote viewing with clarity similar to waking. If I go further and closer to the twilight zone, then I get sound and I can sometimes step into the imagery and have a lucid experience, but this is very rare for me. I usually get thrown out or get an electric zap when I enter the imagery. But when I do enter the lucid state, it's seems to be the same as a lucid dream. I'm now practicing to astral project during meditation, but I haven't been successful with that yet - there's lots of literature on how to do this. I can OBE exit during Nrem when I get 'the vibrations'. Anyway the experiences I've had during meditation have been nothing short of profound. Remote viewing during meditation is fun. It's possible to go to distant places, and through time, but I'm not at the steering wheel. I'm looking through somebody else's eyes. Imagine sitting on a large asteroid, of a planet's ring, in the shadow of the planet itself, as a star lights up the ring past the planet's shadow. All while being surrounded by the blackness of space and distant stars, and having clarity beyond what your physical eyes are capable of. Or watching Earth's continental shift from space over billions of years, in fast forward, over a couple of minutes. Or seeing a female angel solemnly kneeling on a stone floor with her eyes closed in such detail that I can see the individual strands making up each feather. Meditation offers some cool stuff well suited for lucid dreamers. I think this can be done in Nrem too, but it needs some work. The counsellor was right about Meditation helping me cope with my daughter's passing. |
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Awareness beyond lucidity is an epiphany.
That is really cool, Tihiti. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us. When you say shifting energy from one part of the brain to the other, do you focus on a particular part of the brain with the intent for energy to accumulate there? Do you visualize the energy moving from one place to another? Just curious. |
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Stephen LaBerge's tips for MILD: (http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-expe...ml#post2160952
Hi 3cat, yes, visualize energy moving from the lower sides of your brain, up thru the middle, then holding it there in the top front half of your brain. I know this sounds nutty, but it seems to work for me. Astral projection exercises involve moving energy around your body. For example visualize energy moving from your knee to your toes and back again. Repeat this over and over, and very quickly you will start to feel sensations that are hard to discribe. Everybody can do these exercises and feel it happening with little or no practice. Body awareness. |
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Awareness beyond lucidity is an epiphany.
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