Thread: ADA: Right or Wrong for Lucidity?

On the note about mindfulness...mindfulness deals with spirituality, self discovery, etc. All that nonsense is left out of ADA

You should try doing some research before stating things like that. They couldn't be more far than the truth. As I stated before, I do think the technique works, but I'm more interested on why it works, and I thought that was what we were discussing.

Besides, let's clear one thing here:

It's not quite simple to determine the cause for lucidity in a DILD. In fact, it can be many times impossible. Spontaneous lucidity isn't something random: it actually refers to things like insight, some memory or event altering your perspective, and this doesn't need to happen in a conscious level. The areas of the brain active during a lucid dream don't turn themselves "on" just because.

Your awareness has increased from ADA practice, therefore your mind understands much better than a typical dreamer that these things in your dreams, all of these things around you are nothing but creations of your mind.

What are we defining as awareness here?

Sageous, you stated earlier that everyone already has awareness in their dreams. While that is partially true, their level of awareness is the same in their dreams as in waking life.

No it's not. You can't define awareness as a constant degree of sensory perception. Or if we are talking about other meaning for awareness, it is isn't constant or immutable.

Upon waking up, your increased awareness in that previous dream has provided you with enhanced recall.

Completely disagree. The fact that you don't remember your dreams is not because you aren't aware of them. Notice that I was the person who mentioned "better recall" with ADA, but you don't backup your argument with anything that seems valid.

Not saying ADA is going to give you photographic memory, but it is, 100%, going to enhance recall.

How do you know it's not other factor? Your topic seems full of assumptions based on anecdotal evidence. There's no harm in believing something, but being 100% sure? Hmmm....

I hope you don't view this reply as a personal attack King Yoshi, because the only interest I have in this thread is healthy discussion (even if it means you and I are going to disagree fiercely), but your position seems to rely on assumptions based on your experience.

On the other hand, I might be talking like we're all a bunch of scientists that forgot to test their techniques in the laboratory....I must say that I can't help but think that the majority of lucid dreaming techniques that are invented might even work, but why? No one knows lol, because besides the old techniques like MILD, reality checks, visualization, tholey method, none of the others were actually tested.

Originally Posted by Zoth

You should try doing some research before stating things like that. They couldn't be more far than the truth.

Besides, let's clear one thing here:

It's not quite simple to determine the cause for lucidity in a DILD. In fact, it can be many times impossible. Spontaneous lucidity isn't something random: it actually refers to things like insight, some memory or event altering your perspective, and this doesn't need to happen in a conscious level. The areas of the brain active during a lucid dream don't turn themselves "on" just because.

See, I don't need to do the research because it has already been done. Its already up here (points at head). Long before these new age lucid dreamers. I've been here for a long time and been doing this for a long time, so slow down young one. THE definition of mindfulness' first line = "Mindfulness (Pali: sati,[1] Sanskrit: smṛti; also translated as awareness) is a spiritual or psychological faculty (indriya) that, according to the teaching of the Buddha, is considered to be of great importance in the path to enlightenment ."

Its a Buddhist practice that I am SUPER familiar with. Whether your view of mindfulness is different from this, is none of my concern. Do not tell me I'm wrong because your version of mindfulness is different from the definition, lol. I don't believe in enlightenment, beings, or any spiritual things so I'm not going to go into mindfulness with you. I know what it is, and to me, everything except for its basic awareness is crap. Not saying its impossible, but I'm not into. I don't judge anyone who is and I still hold respect for them. I'm into things that other aren't so I understand.

As for your second part, WTF are you talking about? Of course it isn't random. Are you even reading my posts? Your mind is not randomly becoming lucid, it is feeling that you are in a dream as opposed to lucidity, whether you realize it or not. Your mind can distinguish reality from a dream, naturally. ADA helps you do this even more often. Its not random and nothing I ever said implied that I thought it was. C'mon Dream Guide.

Edit: Look Zoth, if you want to know what kind of awareness I'm talking about, GO READ MY TUTORIAL. It is explained in great detail. I just explained in great detail why and how ADA helps with recall and it IS awareness. Have you been practicing testing and experimenting with ADA in direct correlation to lucid dreaming for years? Do you have 100s and 100s of lucid dreams from using no other technique but ADA? This isn't nonsense I'm spitting, dude. This is research and experience.

No one knows why these techniques work? LOL. Sorry, bro, YOU don't know why they work. DOn't speak for everyone else. I get people lucid because I don't just tell them what to do, I explain why these things work. I don't lucid dream blindly, I figure out why something works and test it over and over and over again. No offense to the other DGs, but how in the fuck did you become a Dream Guide? This is coming from a former Dream Guide Leader. Sad.

Also, you discredited my statements that had backing and didn't even provide a reason. You said, "The fact that you don't remember your dreams is not because you aren't aware of them." And that is it, LMAO. Because you say it makes it true, even without explaining why? Who do you think you are? You are in the most important position on the site, as a Dream Guide, and you are sitting here spitting ridiculous nonsense as if you are a random noob troll? Wow, dude. Wow.