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    1. Prison dream and terrible assault..!

      by , 08-08-2016 at 12:36 AM (Ramblings of a mad man...!)
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      Howzit,

      So I found myself in prison one again, I was on the landing just hanging around and wasting time when a guy came up to me, it was Chris Taylor, a lad I went to school with, but as a man..! He was agitated about something, but wouldn't say what, I figured out that he was pissed off 'cos it was my release date and Joy was coming to get me, he apparently had a thing for Joy..! All of a sudden for no reason and with no questioning from myself, the scene changed to a bar-b-q in a very large garden..! It was still in the prison, though it was more like a gated community than a prison..! Someone had made a makeshift fire in a compost bag, with bricks round the outer edge and the coals in the centre..! Suddenly three hefty black guys came along and started shouting about who had stolen their compost..! Brazen as you like, the guy next to me owned up and when they asked why, he said 'well I had a bag of sand to make it in, but I wanted a black bar-b-q'..! They reached over the fence and dragged him over, it was spiked at the top, so this did him no favours, one had a ball hammer and one had a sledge hammer, they took him over the road to a space of waste land where we could all see..! Everyone assumed they were going to hit him with the hammers, but what happened next beggars belief..! They forced him down onto all fours, took the ball hammer, spun it round and placed the but end of the hammer between his arse cheeks and took a swing with the sledge hammer..! They made contact, but not fully and so they tried again, once more they missed, but in the act of trying they were hurting him none the less..! I got up to leave and realised I was still imprisoned, but wanted no more of what was happening, I knew though that if they saw me try to leave that they would then start on me..! I walked to a clear spot, checked no one was watching, then I looked to the sky and took off..! Much in the same was Neo does at the end of the movie..!

      I think then that I feel into sleep proper as I didn't wake immediately or at least I don't remember waking..! The next thing I know is the dog waking me for the toilet..!

      Prison will now be added to my dream signs..!

      Cheers, Nicho..!
    2. Same place in two different dreams?

      by , 07-30-2016 at 05:08 PM
      Some time ago I dreamt about a place I've never been before or I've ever heard about. Last night I dreamt about it again. I don't remember very well what happened in the first one, but I remember perfectly what happened in the second one.
      I still remember every detail, everything was so clear and so realistic. I was with some members of my family, we were traveling in a car. However, at some point, we were walking. I don't know how it happened, but the car disappeared. At some point we arrived in a place that was amazing. It was near the sea. The water was so clear...it was a beautiful light blue and it almost looked like it was shining. The place where we were going was located on a mountain. The the sea continued even on the mountain. It was flowing next to the road. I remember that I was taking photos since we saw the sea. After walking for a while, we arrived at our destination. It was a manor. It wasn't very big, it was white with some black lines. It was surrounded by nature. There were only trees and grass. Everything was bright green, it was almost like I was in Wonderland, everything was too beautiful to be true. I don't know how at that point I realized that it was a dream. However, I didn't wake up. I was taking more photos, but when I tried to take a picture of the manor, the camera won't focus. I mean, everything was blured and I couldn't take a picture of it. I tried and re-tried, but I just couldn't take a photo of the manor. I remember that I also felt like something was stopping my hand from clicking the button to take the photo.
      In the dream there were also some boys. They were handsome and gentlemen. They treated me like a princess and I couldn't understand why.
      At the end of the dream those boys try to kill me. I don't know why, but they were pretending to be nice with me just to gain my trust. I don't know what happens because I always wake up before they can do something to me.

      The first dream was different, but the place was the same. I was alone in the first dream and I don't remember what happened. The only things I can recall are the place and the boys. They were in the first dream as well, and I remeber that the ending was the same. However, I know that in the first dream I did different things.
      Maybe the dreams are connected? Maybe it's like a puzzle? Every time details are added and things become more clear? Maybe it was created by my mind since I don't easily trust people around me.
      Tags: dream, manor, trust
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    3. Disturbing dream I had about a woman I knew

      by , 05-27-2016 at 09:43 PM
      OK, so I Had this Disturbing Dream last week about a woman I knew. Basically, the woman, who I do not wish to name, was one of my old carers who I had a crush on, sort of. And basically in the dream, I went to one of my favourite shopping centres(or malls), and she was luring me to different shops, the GAME shop there had black walls instead, and I rung up her mother, who I also knew as one of my Teachers, and asked what year she was born, she said 1982, making her 34.

      The scary thing about this dream, was, even though I'm getting over this woman really well, was that I couldn't control my willpower, and it suddenly came out of nowhere, why I picked up the phone. It's so wierd, does this mean anything? I've barely got her in my head and I've been getting over her when suddenly this dream appeared.


      It's disturbing, I must admit.

      Updated 05-29-2016 at 11:14 AM by 90720

      Tags: dream, lust, mall, sex, shop, voice, woman
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      non-lucid , nightmare , memorable
    4. Disturbing Differences

      by , 05-08-2016 at 08:43 AM
      I cannot remember the context of this dream, but I remember its general theme, as well as the feelings I had about the occurrences. In the dream, I was listening to an album I'm quite familiar with; it was probably a Genesis album. Anyway, one great thing about Genesis (At least '70s era Genesis), is that they often had themes within songs that would resurface in slightly different forms on later songs on the same album, either as like a reprise or just something to help give a sense of circular closure to the album. This is one of my favourite things about them; it can make for some really powerful stuff (Just listen to Duke or Trick of the Tail and you'll see what I mean). So, in the dream, my sense of familiarity with whatever songs I was listening to was clear to me. The song began, and of course I'd immediately recognize it and know exactly where it was going. However, what happened in this dream was something surreal, and I can only imagine what it would be like in real life. Basically, a song that I knew well would start, but at some point during the song, a theme from a song from a different album would come about and somehow work with the music. It was ridiculously strange to me, but the weirdest thing about it was that it worked, within the context of the song. Somehow my brain was able to come up with a way of combining two completely unrelated Genesis songs into one, and it made musical sense. However, it was still pretty disturbing to me in the dream. I think it would have made more sense if my dream self just accepted the weird scenario, as often happens in dreams. But I couldn't really accept it. It was surreal to me in the dream, as it would have been in real life. I only wish I could remember the song and how it worked; I now cannot even imagine what it would have been. I've had similar types of dreams before, but usually with film. A film I'd be familiar with would begin, but changes to the plot and characters would occur, which would be unsettling for me. What could these dreams be indicative of? Do they have some sort of meaning? I feel like recurring dreams usually do...
    5. Long dream about spying, terrorism, anti semitism etc

      by , 04-05-2016 at 05:22 AM
      Dream journal entry 5/4/16

      Just trying to get my latest most vivid dream down before I forget..I dreamt that I was living in a tower block and my gf was there but she had gone off to another floor to visit an old friend (her ex I do believe) I think she was trying to get weed from him possibly. For some reason I had access to either the intercom or one of thier phones like I Was using it to bug them and was listening in to thier conversation about guns and drugs so pretty serious!
      Fast forward to another part of my dream where I'm at some kind of mixed Muslim/ Catholic wedding and the priest is joking about the differences between the two faiths saying in Catholicism Israel is recognised but not in Islam I was spying on people using thier phones as transmitters bugs here btw and had got some important info from the discarded phone of a Muslim attendee.

      Fast forward again and I'm outside a flat (another tower block) and it is painted blue with like the golden stars of the European flag on it aswell as some crude anti semitic graffiti of Nazi symbols and the phrase 'kill the Jews'..skip forward again and there are some Muslim youths chasing another none Muslim white youth on the street but he manages to evade them and they turn thier attention to some Muslim women who are carrying assault rifles. It was about here that I had to wake needing the toilet and eager to make my first dream journal entry since October 2012 a full 3 and a half years ago!
    6. Hobbiton has gone to the dogs?

      by , 04-04-2016 at 04:07 PM
      Had several other dreams early on but cannot now recall, I tried to use a technique to remember them but gone.

      D1 - Had one dream where I thought I was dreaming and had just been in a meeting room but something was wrong. i dreamt that I went back into the dream to change something. But it was a dream

      Tried to WILD but just found myself in dream, don't remember any vibrations or anything.
      D2 - Went up to hobbits round front door and I kind of got stuck there for a while, I was totally phased by how the door opened. Did it open like a notmal door or did it open in the middle like two half circles or best of all I decided open into the hillside by rolling, like a slidy door. with the door rolling round and round, and back, cool!
      On entering the house I was immediatley drawn to the kitchen to the left of the main hallway. I went to peek in the kitchen door and that was as far as I got. The kitchen looked nice, wooden shelves with stuff on them, and shafts of sunlight. But completely incongruous to all I had expected there was a motorcycle lite by the shaft of light Oo wt...worse still was to befall my eyes on the old fashioned silver and black motorbyke was a dog, a sheep dog :/ what has the world come too
      There was much activity in the kitchen, I know not what of but I left, in disgust and woke myself up outta there.
      I woke up and tried again.
      This time I was out in a field of thick high corn near a path, and there was Sam Gamgee or so I imagined. (In what I remember of the hobbit he had been collecting vegetables and took them back round to the house so I tried following him). I could only see the back of Sam, if that's who he was.
      He sure enough went back to the Frodo's house (?) but instead of being able to enter via the big back window, I was confronted by big white framed double glazing, and no sign of a way of entry.
      So I went back round to the front of the house to try yet again,
      standing in tall in old green robes with a hood, was Gandalf....nope it was another ... dog!
      this time it was a big grey (gandalf the ...grey evidently) long haird dog, standing on it's hindquarters, with it's face showing
      at this point I felt quite insulted at how my subconscious was seriously taking the piss out of me, and gave up.
      Dog Gawn it! for sure.

      Note to self, next time remember I want an authentic hobbit house not some weird fabrication.
      And then I remembered, seeing my neice's new godamm pooch and that he must of been the cause of this mess up!

      Updated 04-04-2016 at 04:13 PM by 89275

      Tags: circle, dog, door, dream, hobbit
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      lucid , non-lucid , task of the month
    7. Incredible! Night of Feb 12th/Morning of Feb 13th

      by , 02-13-2016 at 06:37 PM
      I took dream leaf again, the alternative method really seems to work for me. Take a red pill the previous night and then the next night (which was last night) take the blue pill right before bed and then dream. I had a series of dreams, some of them repeated but there was something a little different each time so here we go.

      1st dream: I hanged out with a childhood friend named Jet and another friend (who I knew in the dream world but not in the real world) we were kid of offroading with a jeep somewhere out in the boonies and it lasting long enough for day to turn to night, around night time I pulled out my phone and explained I wanted to record what we were doing and we came across this large mountain, it was sitll in the distance but it turns out to be a Volcano and it erupted and large amounts of black smoke and very hot stones poured out of it and they kept we kept driving toward it and a very hot rock landed on my stomach and it burned and I said to turn around and we did. We had to do something and take a drug test later the next day but we decided to get really really high anyway (weed people calm down) and so we went for the drug test still very high and there were a lot of people who had to do it but this test was different then normal drug tests we had to sit at a desk and spit into a test tube but not only that we had to put a manikin arm in the tube and it would change colors depending on if we were high or not and also it would inscribe in the arm our names and birthdays. For some reason it enscribed the wrong birthday (my real birthday is Jan 16th 1996, but it said Jan 16th 1949) and trust me, in my dream I was still my young self. The guy next to me was for some reason FaZe Apex and we talked a little bit and my arm started to change colors very fast and it was like neon weird colors and Apex said "this guy is still really high wtf" and it got to a point where everyone was trying to take the test tube away because I was sitting there staring at the changing colors for a long time, I said hold on and I put it down and my dream ended.

      I had two lucid dreams but neither of them lasted very long, for some reason I would realize I am dreaming but before I could change anything I would wake up in a different dream and the thing that makes it even more weird is I was thinking about lucid dreaming WHILE I WAS DREAMING and I didn't recognize that I was dreaming in most of my dreams.

      1st dream repeat: This one was about going offroading again in the open jeep but instead of my childhood friend it was one of my current best friends (lets call him Alex) and the other dude was the same, I didn't know his name but somehow we were friends. We had to run down this large hill to get to the jeep and it turned into a race so what I did was I jumped off part of the cliff instead and I had that suit that can make a person glide down, it had like flying squirl arms and legs and I flew over Alex and I was like "I am winning!" Both of my friends said I was nuts but I pulled the parachute last minute and landed perfectly next to the Jeep. I got in the passenger and Alex got in the back we drove around a lot and as day turned into night I started recording on my phone again, this time there was no Volcano but we got into a clearing in a wooded area and we stopped, at this point I realized I was dreaming and I just said "You know, you guys are my best friends." I didn't get a response because when I turned around they were gone and I was alone by myself and Darkness started to envelope my world and my dream ended. I think the part of me that is so very alone started to kick in once I realized I was dreaming and it took away my friends and said "you don't deserve to be happy, you don't deserve to be with friends."

      2nd dream, it was very short, I woke up and I was a kid sitting in a bus with other kids and we were going on a field trip, I talked about my dreams but every other kid was mean and was a bully to me. I didn't let it bother me and I just woke up in a different dream. which was another repeat of dream 1.
    8. on my mind

      by , 01-14-2016 at 08:45 PM
      dreamt I was lucid, my current technique seems to be getting somewhere
      Tags: dream, lucid
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      non-lucid
    9. [Dream #2 - Year 2012] My Encounter with a Shadow Person? - First Lucid Dream Experience

      by , 01-14-2016 at 12:48 AM (The Book of the Multiverse)

      #2


      This happened more so randomly and unintentional but I'll talk about it.

      The most vivid lucid dream (if you want to consider it a dream) I had was after I had awoken and went back to sleep one night. I couldn't distinguish if my eyes were still close or open but, I remember laying on-top my mattress in my room. Everything looked the same, and the placement of a couple of furniture pieces were exactly where they were in the waking world. I sadly couldn't move but I could see with my eyes. I looked over the blackened silhouettes of my computer chair paired with another item and eventually from those black shapes emerged a creature.

      Completely black and half my height, shared very similar aspects of the heartless from Kingdom Hearts, particularly the shadows. His hair almost resembled that of a straw hat with a kind of point on top. He had a yellow smiley face logo, similar to the one Impmon from Digimon has, on his chest. He approached me slowly towering me, sporting a wide grin with ground sharp teeth. Through various ways he exploited himself, I knew right away wanted to have sex with me. I wanted to engage in the act with him but again, I couldn't move due to being in a paralyzed state. Eventually before I could do more about it, I was snapped back to the waking world. The perception still did not change from me coming back but the figure vanished from view.

      It was disappointing that I couldn't continue on in the moment, and I was ecstatic about it. About meeting someone/something that normally one wouldn't see in this physical world. But I enjoyed the intensity and vividness of the event nevertheless. I also drew a picture of the creature afterwords but I can't find it at the moment, though I could easily create a new one.


      • Notes — Before I started attempting lucid dreaming, I was more focused on astral projecting. The methods I learned from reading up on WILD and MILD are practically the same methods I used when I was taught astral projection from a former college friend. Excluding the part where I imagine my spirit body detaching from my physical. This event happened unintentionally, but I feel that the habit of ding a routinely MILD - WILD
      seeped into myself doing it automatically without having any thought of doing so.

      Encountering the Shadow creature and wanting to engage is sexual intercourse with him, in my opinion, exhibits a lot of myself and how sexual open I am as a person, especially when it comes to different species. Being that I wasn't at all scared as most people would when being face-to-face with such a being, could explain the fact that in the waking world I do not have fears the ghosts, shadow people, demons, types of fears that exist. Thus, could be why I had such a positive synergy with this creature.



      Date — Somewhere around the year 2012

      Went to bed — N/A

      Woke up — N/A

      *Time logged — N/A

      Total sleep — N/A

      Stress level throughout the day — N/A

      Techniques/Practices — I been doing methods of MILD and WILD for a bit before this event occurred.

      *Daytime — N/A

      *Recall — N/A

      *Inducing Method — NA

      Dream Signs — My bed, my room (being that it wasn't shown to be altered in any way), the exact same placement of furniture

      Perceived Length — 5 minutes

      Emotions — Curious, Happy

      Awareness — Hard to say. I was aware that such an event doesn't normally occur in my world (the waking world), but it wasn't much of an importance in my mind to really focus on.

      Updated 01-25-2016 at 04:27 PM by 89722

      Categories
      lucid , memorable
    10. Night of Jan 7th

      by , 01-08-2016 at 03:41 PM
      I took 50 mg of Melatonin last night (again) and I just had the most amazing dream ever and it wasn't a sex dream this time.
      I was in school again, this time in computer class and we had this sub teacher who was really mean, stuck up etc. I get myself in trouble by being a smart ass - she said something to some other student and I whispered under my breath telling her to suck my dick. She comes over and sticks her head as close to mine and yells, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I stood up and told her I didn't say Sh*t, and she gets close to me and repeats herself and I said, Lady back off me and she gets closer and I say it again and she gets closer still so I push her away from me and she comes at me and pushes me up against the wall with her hands in fists grabbing my shirt. I punched her in the face and she went down, she told me to go to the office and that she was going to call the police. I went to the door and turned back and the whole class stood up and started cheering for me and clapping and about half the class left with me to support me and say she put her hands on me first/I was defending myself. This time in my dream it was my actual high school. For some reason the office was in the library so I sat down with most of my friends and we went in one by one to tell the story, at this point I forced myself to wake up because I wanted to write this down so I guess that really means I am aware I am dreaming. I wrote it down and then copied it over to 3 of my online diaries and this site here.
    11. Night of Jan 6th

      by , 01-07-2016 at 10:07 PM
      I took 50 mg of melatonin after a short break of not taking any. It really did intensify my dreams and it led me to waking up several times and falling back asleep. The first 1 or 2 dreams I don't remember, the 3rd one involved a woman who was being hunted by this sadistic family in the middle of the woods, she finds their property and tries to steal a car to get out. I was trying to escape too but thats all I remember.

      I woke up again and fell back asleep and this time I was in class with either a friend or a sister (if she was a sister it would have been in dream only not RL) and I was being my usual smart ass self that I was when I was in school, i just remembered something. I was able to go back to school in my dream after I graduated and this was set in math class to be specific Algebra 3/4 class. I look through the text book realizing I couldn't do any of the problems and was getting very frustrated. I noticed something was off about my teacher sometimes here eyes would flip to complete black and then back to normal, I realized my teacher was replaced with a demon. Blood started to drip down from the ceiling and he collected some and made everybody do some weird ritual with blood and it summoned hell hounds that jumped through the window and started to growl at everybody, the teacher disappeared and my friend/sis and I were the only ones who didn't do it so she sat there and I stood up on my desk and placed a container underneath the dripping blood to collect it and then I pushed open a different area of the roof and I seen a bunch of dead bodies of all the teachers and even a nun up there that were tied up and rotting but still dripping blood. the blood started to flow heavier and I took what I had and went up to the chalk board and drew some weird symbol on it with the blood and pressed my bloody hand against the symbol as hard as I could and it made all the hell hounds disappear.

      This is when I woke up again but things took a very nasty course. I was still able to snore but I was not able to move and I wasn't sure I was able to open my eyes but I knew this was a sleep paralysis experience, I felt this presence in my room off to the right by the window like standing over my bed and I pretended to sleep by snoring but it didn't work, I tried to move my arms but when I did they felt numb and like dead weight. The thing off to my right said my name in this taunting like manner like he had control over me and I worked up everything in my might to try to talk so I just kept trying and nothing was coming out but finally I was able to yell "MOM" not really loud but loud enough and she just yelled WHAT? and after that I was able to move and get up. This experience wasn't as scary as the last one but to feel that presence and hear it say my name was really scary.
    12. [January 5, 2016] Random Lucid

      by , 01-06-2016 at 02:41 AM
      Hey hey long time no see. I have been out of practice with my LDing for sometime but I got a very very low level one recently so figured I'd type some details.

      The dream was cool, I was running through quite a maze from docks by an ocean. they went for twist and turns all over the place. must have gone for miles. At some point i was laying down on a dock and there was this orca anthropomorphic person laying there looking at me. Then I realized I was in a dream, and the orca person began trying to eat me alive, and I tried to help it accomplish that goal, but I couldn't fit. So we just started doing other stuff. I was lucid, but barely. Kept on the edge of losing it. Thats really about all I can remember.

      I think, dont know for sure, that I had one other low level one before this and forgot to record it. Until I remember for sure though I'm not going to count the other one.
      Categories
      lucid , dream fragment
    13. First Entry

      by , 12-26-2015 at 08:04 PM (My Dream Journal)
      Hi everyone...this is my first entry.
      My first dream last night was that my sister and I were on a road trip at night. Every so often we would stop, get out of the car, and climb up these towers that were there for some reason. We would go right up to the top, take turns going to the bathroom, and then climb back down. I can't help but feel like we brought something into the towers, too, I just can't remember exactly what it was. I feel like it might have been one of our pets or a movie...
      Another dream that I had last night was that I was in the parking lot at my church, doing bars at a gymnastics meet. (I'm not in gymnastics in real life) My grandma was the judge, and apparently I had joined gymnastics two days before. I also remember thinking that I would do exactly what Annie from Bratayley did at her meet.
      Tags: dream, journal, tower
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      Uncategorized
    14. doing stuff in my room

      by , 12-12-2015 at 08:42 PM (The Internal and Subconscious World of DropTherapy)
      I actually had this dream a while ago. but that was before i discovered this site.
      i don't really remember much, but this is what i do remember :
      i was in my room on the computer. i had a windows 7 laptop (when in real life i have a windows XP one)
      and a windows 7 computer. i looked behind me and on my bed was a package i apparently had been waiting
      FOREVER to have. I opened it and found a prototype PS5 controller. I went downstairs to show my aunt,
      who was sitting in a recliner. I showed it to her and she said 'that hurt,' and then my name.
      i went back upstairs to browse on the computer some more, and after apparently not downloading anything,
      a loading screen popped up on both computers. they then said "congratulations! a virus on your computer
      has successfully connected to the internet!!!" after that, things started flying around on the screen for a few seconds, then everything went back to normal.
      Tags: dream
      Categories
      non-lucid
    15. Lucid Dream 2.1.13

      by , 10-15-2015 at 09:28 PM
      Finally, after weeks of a dry spell, I was able to become lucid.

      It was me, and several other dream characters that I had not known personally. We were all trying to escape this factory/mall compound because one of the girls that was with us was being chased by the police. She was in the country illegally and the police were going to deport her, but for some reason we needed her here for some coming apocalypse (yep, for sure one of my dreams). I'm not sure what she could do to stop the disasters coming or what importance she had for the end of the world, all I knew was that she was needed. I hadn't been lucid until we came to the food court/back alley area of this "mall" and I realized the rediculousness of the dream setting.

      Once I became lucid, I imediately had the thought to try and jump to another's dream, but I either was distracted or chickened out, so I decided to manipulate the dream that was playing out before me. Once we all got to this food court area, the police rolled up in their cruisers and blocked us from escape. They were going to arrest the girl (black hair, darker skin complection), but me being me, I became lucid and decided to fly through the food court to get food. (I know, what the hell, right?). So, I flew around and grabbed a hot pretzel off one of the food carts, paying no mind to the angry employee I just stole from. I suddenly remembered the whole point of the dream was to protect this woman, and so I flew back to the police scene, to find that they had barely made any progress on actually arressting the girl. Before the police could grab her I pushed them all back behind their car with a sort of "force push" power. I pushed them back against this brick wall (that apparently lead to an alley leading out of the complex), and immediately put up an invisible energy sheild to protect us all from the police. The two officers began throwing what I think were granades at my force feild and I could hear the loud bannging of explosions when the granades came in contact with my sheild. I was amused that they thought they could break through with simple granades.

      Then, the two officers combined and morphed into this tall, green, crocodile like demon. This thing was pissed off, and began running head on into the sheild, making a more significant attempt of breaking through. I could feel that this thing was a bit stronger, so I used a good amount of my energy to push this thing back against the brick wall, and focused on sending a silent invisible blade at its neck, all while keeping the sheild up. The energy blade made contact with the creature, and I saw a thin line cut spread across its neck, until its head completly rolled off its sholders. Pleased, with what I did, I looked back at my party. I saw this older gentleman who was traveling with us (who strange enough, looked like Giles from BtVS), and saw his eyes grow wide. I looked back at the, now decapitated, creature to see three more crocodile demons sprout from its courpse. The Giles character shouted to me "cutting off its head won't do any good, you need a great amount of explosive force directly on its heart to make any difference." I smiled, looked back to him and replied, "how about the force of an atom bomb?" He laughed, "yes, I suppose that will do." My intention was to drop the shield and send a huge chi blast directly at the creatures' hearts. Unfortunately, I awoke before I could do such a thing....oh well, there is always tonight.

      *Spelling errors everywhere I know, go with it
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